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imaginasian
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"Employment Background Checks"
 
   I have recently been on two interviews with Staffing Agencies to look for a job. I also recently have gotten arrested and now have a record of Attempted Burglary, Under Influence (both misdameanors) and a felony drug possession (felony but undergoing drug diversion which will dismiss charges after 18 months). So on a question on the application I say no when asked if ever convicted of felony (so I am not lying because felony case is still pending). Problem is I never hear from them again and I think it's because of background check. Is there any way around this? Or am I doomed because of the system? I hold a degree in Accounting as well as 7 yrs experience but nobody seems to look at that.

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paulfr
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1. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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You only went on two interviews ?? Well ...

There is a high rate of unemployment in
California right now, so employers have
tens or even hundreds of applicants for
each job. Most likely it has nothing to
do with your 'record'. Many employers
do not even do those kind of checks,
especially small employers.
You could also pay a private detective to do
a backround check on you and see what he
comes up with. Again, there may be nothing
there .... this would ease your mind a great deal.

Don't be discouraged.

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Looking4thebest
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2. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-Nov-02 AT 08:45 AM (PST)
 
In California it is "generally" difficult to do criminal background checks. Even if your applying for a position paying 300K+ a year and have a serious Felony you can, and I've seen it happen, slip by. There are tons of reasons, suffice it to say, employers and/or many P.I.'s don't know someone who has access to NCIC or CLETS (Calif. Law Enforcement Telecommunications System) (both of which are rampant with errors by the way. These goofball background checks that you see advertised on the web are also pretty much useless in California. Of course, someone could easily go down to the County where you claimed to live and check you out, or bounce around to all 58 Counties in Calif....Don't sweat it, your not applying for a sensitive BATF or FBI job so again "generally" they don't check nor do they want to spend the money or have the connections to do so..in California.

the edit part: since this is somewhat of an "anonymous" message board, I will say, in regards to your question of answering the question about being a Felon...NO, never check that box or admit that, this is not legal advice, so do as you wish and be honest or feel free to spill the beans, so to speak. Would you take a chance on someone with a crim. background when you've got dozens or maybe 100's of other qualified applicants?

- L4B -

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3. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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Tell the truth.

You will alway be worried about your job if you don't.
You can get it exponged and then apply,maybe that would be better.

check out
http://knowx.com
Thats a site for background checks over your comp, cool huh.

Summer!

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Looking4thebest
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4. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-Nov-02 AT 02:16 PM (PST)
 
Yes, he can have it most likely expunged but he needs a job NOW not in a few years.

The chance that they "someday", after he is hired do an extensive background check would be remote don't you think?

The site you mentioned is similar to others on the web. A great deal of the information (if not all from viewing the home page) is already available for free and gathered from County, State or Govt. web sites.

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 10-Nov-02, 02:21 PM (PST)
 
5. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   >Yes, he can have it most likely expunged but he needs a job
>NOW not in a few years.

It only takes about 30 days to expunge your record, but because of the gov't blizzard of paperwork, it more than likely won't actually be off your record for about six months
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7. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   Not if he's still on Probation or facing charges and also there's the type of "expungement" he needs or wants to do i.e. PC17, Certificate of Rehabilitation, 1203.4 Clearance....etc.

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18. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   It's dependent on the company. Any mid and above sized company will do a simple criminal background check. It generally takes a couple of days and is very accurate. My company subscribes to a system and we can tell a candidate the crime, the date and the court he was in.

If a candidate checks the criminal record box, I will ask what the crime he/she committed. If it is not one involving theft or violence many times I will continue the interview (hey, if he/she is a fellow RB-er, he's got the job! LOL). I will have him note on the application the specific crime. If it comes back that he did commit any other crime, adios.

Check the box? It really depends on the company and whether or not they do criminal background checks. The larger the company, the more likely they do.

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6. "just say "no""
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   it is amazing how little checking up on references really happens.

California's first poet laureate just lost his job because he never really got a PhD, but lied about it on his resume. He was a tenured UC professor.

If they check you _might_ lose your job. But if you are a great employee, have been doing a great job, and your offense is unrelated to your line of work, they might keep you anyways.

Temp/contract agencies are unlikely to do any check at all. That (or working for yourself) can be a way to get some good employment history under your belt.

Stay away from government work at any level. They are the most likely to do a check, even if inefficiently or very slowly.

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8. "be honest...."
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   trust me, they do check. my hr department checks everybody. it
takes only 72 hours, to run county checks, and a few more days to
get an extensive check, and both cost almost nothing.
if you lie, it "will" disqualify you...period.
if you tell the truth, and state your reason, then it may not. if you
do tell the truth, make sure you sell yourself good in the interview,
or they may not go further.

if there are any hr recruiters, please chime in...


aztec

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9. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   Medium and large companies generally check and if you have a felony the odds are they will find out. Smaller companies are less likely to run a check. You need to know the following things:

Did you plea to the felony with the understanding that the charges will be later dismissed?

If so you now have a felony on your record. The process is after successfull treatment you can see the judge and he may reduce the charge to misdameanor then dismiss and then expounge. It will take about six months for all of the paperwork to go through the system. You can check your own record online to see what shows up now and what happens after the records have been cleared.

Post expoungement, there are still things you can not do.

#1 Own a firearm.

#2 Any new offenses can site your old problems against you.

#3 Any state license requirement can see through your expoungement and consider your previous conviction.

Now the good news:

No more jury duty.

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imaginasian
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10. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   Thanks for the advice. I submitted over 50 resumes for the past few days and won't give up because I made a mistake. Who knows, may have to start flipping burgers at McD's.....haha

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dante790
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11. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   As previous posters stated this market is unusually down more so than other parts of the country simply because the bay area was the center of some bad business practices. Do not be discouraged by not getting placed by two temp firms or sending out 50 resumes. I have associates and buds that have done what you did with zeros attached and still aren't working. Also have had buds that get lucky their first at bat. What I'm saying is just do what you can to prepare and then leave the rest to a higher power. All you can do is what you can do. Control that which you can and dont sweat anything beyond your control. Almost 8 years ago I served as HR Mgr then D for the organization that paid for my jack N coke at the time. I can supply you with the name and telephone of a company that can do a comprehensive background check for you or as the previous poster stated the website knowknox can do the criminal search you suggest for less $100.

Personally, I dont think you should waste your money on backgrounds. Just dont lie on the application, period. Some organizations ask about arrest, others ask only about convictions, still others only deal with felonies and the list goes on and on. Just be candid. Sooner or later you will run into someone who is fair minded and will give you another chance. If you lie and get caught you will be fired. Its a chance you have to decide within yourself if honesty is your best policy right now today or maybe being less candid is what works today and next year you'll do something different. My counsel is be upfront. If they dont hire you move on.

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12. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   Dante
With all due respect, I disagree with your advice not to lie.
It is true that "honesty is the best policy". Of course !!
But all virtue should be viewed from a practical perspective.
If a hit man asked you where his target was and you knew, would
you be honest and tell him ? There is a greater good that must be
considered. In this case, avoiding a murder.

The applicant needs to eat and feel the sense of dignity that
a job provides. This is far more important than being able to
say to the Lord on judgement day that you never, ever, ever lied.

If a company has a policy to NOT consider anyone who has been
arrested, convicted or is a felon, that is their right to choose.
So let them spend the money on background checks to accomplish this.
Asking the applicant to pay for their misdeed many times
over (each job they apply for a job) is unfair and in my opinion, cruel.
Even in a court of law, the jury is not allowed to know your
record for fear it will bias their judgement in the case.

And all it really does is save the corporation's money.
If they do the checks, there is no need to ask.

If the person is doing a good job, no one is going to
look for trouble and fire the person in question. The lie
on the application is just a convenient excuse to dismiss
an employee without fear of a lawsuit. It all comes
down to saving money for the corporation.

I am a free market capitalist without any bias against
big business. But if you want to play the game, stop
whining and pay up. Do your checks if you must. But
don't make the little guy have to deliver it to you
on a silver platter.

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juceefrut
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13. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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Lie your ass off..employers are not feeling felons Trust that. but in the mean time remember you're just applying for temp agencies, and you gotta keep in mind you'er going drug deversion with this felon so it's not gonna last long, so in the meantime you gotta eat, LIE LIE LIE Honi I'm a felon. now a truckdriver/provider(both w/credidentials)

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14. "What a shocker!"
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   One of Candygirls ho's is a convicted felon? Incomprehensible.

By the way juceefrut, you don't work for candy anymore, you can lose the misspelled, candy related name.

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15. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   i see where you are coming from, and agree wholeheartedly...
that said, we have to live in reality, and this is not about trying
to get into the pearly gates, this is about getting a job.

i have worked for many different companies, and 90% of them will have
done a background check before you even start. it is not expensive,
and it is not time consuming. the days of old are gone, and today,
in order to get a job, you have to sell yourself. that means putting
down on all applications....the truth.

sure, back in the dot com days, you could say you had a BS and never
even received a ticket, and nobody would have been the wiser. now,
the market is too tough, and the companies are screening...because
they can.

bottom line, if your honest up front, they will actually ask you what
happened, and if you are sincere in your answer, then they will
probably continue. if you lie, then....well....why bother.

just my two cents


aztec

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16. "this is a good thread!"
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   This thread has turned out to be a good one. Lot of thoughtful opinions in both directions.

I think that the case for both sides has been laid out pretty well. To take this to next level, we need to check our opinions of reality against actual reality. My opinion is based on my work life experience but I am not a HR pro. So the true basis for my opinion is narrower than someone who _really_ works with this issue. Same goes for anyone else who may have formed the opposite opinion based on _their_ list of employers.

So... show of hands.. who has _genuine_ expertise here rather than mere personal experience?

sacspy - votes for "the truth will _not_ make you free", arguing from his vast personal experience but cannot quote any authoritative statistics, is _not_ an expert on this issue, and does not play one on tv.

how about the rest of you?

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17. "Lie."
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   In most cases, it is best to lie. In the current job market, why would an employer take a chance on someone with any record? There are 20 qualified people available with no record.

If you tell the truth, in this job market, you are doomed. If you lie, there is a good chance you will fall through the cracks. Obviously, some types of jobs check more carefully than others. An armored car driver probably gets checked pretty well.

Many, many employers don't check at all.

If it is the government, probably best to tell the truth....they may well check, plus there are some protections in place for applicants with records, I believe.


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19. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   If there is an human resources department onsite, they will more than likely do a background check. If it is Junior at McDonald's or Buffy at Supercuts doing your interview it is less likely.

But even at McD's and other corporate chains, I do believe they send the application back to the main offices and they do crim checks.

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20. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   Do any of you know how far back the criminal background checks go? I had heard that it was typically 7 years. I have an arrest and conviction for soliciting an undercover policewoman that is now over 10 years old. I was living in a different county at that time but now I live in the same county as the conviction. What are the chances of this being discovered on a background check?
AL

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21. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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At the last company that I was doing some work for, they had one of top men fired, then they sued him.

Turns out that the all of his education was a hoax, he never went to any of the schools that he mentioned, (yes even had the fancy frames on the wall) This was all found out 30 days after he had been promoted.

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22. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   my hr department will send for a background check to all counties
listed on your application, and the county we are located in.
so, if you dont list the county which the offense occurred in, the
maybe you can get away with it....maybe.

as for your record, unfortunately, it stays with you until you
yourself do something about it. if you dont get it expunged, then..
it will always be there. you have to wait a timeframe before filing,
but it is definately worth it.


aztec

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imaginasian
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23. "RE: Employment Background Checks"
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   Update:

Just had an interview today, well actually 4 rounds of it, selling myself. Started w/ Fin. Mgr, then IS Mgr, then CFO, then Hiring Mgr who told me I was top candidate thus far and they will decide tomorrow. Keeping fingers crossed, yet somehow I feel I'm going to get the job. Key point is they said they'd decide tomorrow yet I didn't have to show any CDL or SSN thus w/o this they cannot check. Besides, they were also doing a mass hiring so too many people anyways. Thanks again

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24. "It's a tough call...."
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   LAST EDITED ON 21-Nov-02 AT 00:09 AM (PST)
 
I recently found my expunged criminal record can be accessed by anyone.

http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/street/5422.html

The record states that the case was dismissed because the probation was completed. In another word, the case dismissal will show up as 'criminal record' regardless the reason of dismissal if someone retrieves your record. Incidentally, the record has no mention about expungement, which means the reader does not know whether the record is expunged or not.

I know job market is tough and I doubt if there is generous company who would hire a guy who has 'history'. I'm not sure this is a good advice, but I would move to different county, look for a job in new place with hiding past living history.

BTW, if I happend to find the fact my guy has 'history' but does good job now, then I will defend him and won't let him go. People make mistakes and learn from past. It's all about human being.

P.S. I found your update #23, it seems to me that you most likely got the position. Congratulation!

Good Luck,
JJJ in East Bay

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25. "RE: It's a tough call...."
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   I have hired several people who have disclosed a history of arrests and convictions. I have also been compelled to terminate people who were great employees because they had misrepresented their criminal background. 2 different ways to see this: (at least) if your potential employer doesn't want to hire you because of previous problems, perhaps you are better off with another job; if you lie and can keep your job, that might work best.

Dazed

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